23 Responses to “Iran Election 2009”

1. josh porche says:

   Saturday, June 20, 2009 at 10:46 am

   Can a even Higher Tier Ayotollah be summonned to address the situation in IRAN?

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2. libhomo says:

   Saturday, June 20, 2009 at 9:00 pm

   You make excellent points about the similarities to the situation here in the US.

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3. Xman says:

   Sunday, June 21, 2009 at 9:55 am

   I’m always happy when my friends see through the BS like I do.

   btw, since I’m so bad at reading minds and motivations with my “gut”…I am more and more influenced by how people who try to influence us, using facts and figures.

   We heard that about 68% of Iran is “urban” and the writers, talking heads…and ex-presidential candidates…used that to “prove” the election was rigged, because MA had the rural support and M had the urban support. Since I have visited Iran, that just didn’t ring true to me.

   Turns out, that by using the United Nations chart that defines “urban” for all countries, the only thing that defines it in Iran is that it is a “municipality”. This means public services like water, electricity, etc. In Iran’s case, this can mean any village that has a well and a pump that in some way provides water for the public good.
   Population count does not influence the definition of urban in Iran…as it does for other countries on the chart.

   So, my contention has been that at least 70% of Iran is actually rural instead of urban…and this is why I doubt there was widespread or significant vote tampering.

   Further, given the admission by Israel that they actively fund and support efforts to destabilized Iran…and knowing the USA history in Iran and knowing that we probably are still doing the same….I’m guessing a large part of the disruption in Iran is…manufactured.

   From the start, did you all noticed the supposed spontaneous demonstrations..with commercially printed signs and banners? There was a lot that was planned well in advance. A few spectacular fires, arrests, clashes, riots, etc. to gain attention of the press. Highly suspect in my opinion.

   Also, though not qualified to debate it, I understand that electronic communication technology and software either developed or utilized by Israel was used to direct anti-government actions in the last few days.

   Nate Silver, the guy who predicted the Obama/McCain election result to almost pinpoint accuracy, also did a similar study of the likely Iran outcome and also doubts there was a stolen election…I just heard that on npr or moyers or democracynow and so don’t have a link.

   Here’s the UN chart.
   I think it is an amazing document in that the definition of urban is so broad as to be meaningless…at least to me.
   http://unstats.un.org/unsd/Demographic/sconcerns/densurb/Defintion_of%20Urban.pdf

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4. Indigobusiness says:

   Sunday, June 21, 2009 at 10:49 am

   As this gets uglier and uglier, the Iranian powers-that-be would dearly love to be able to blame America. It seems mighty wise not to give them the opportunity.

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5. Xman says:

   Sunday, June 21, 2009 at 2:08 pm

   I agree, Indigo.
   Iran is 4 times the size of Iraq which is 4 times smaller than Afghanistan which is 4 times larger than California.

   And..since we still can’t seem to handle Iraq and North Korea is the size of New Mexico….

   Might be a good idea to mind our own business.

   Of course I’m not a big business who’s business is to tap under-developed markets….with the help of the MIC.

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6. Xman says:

   Sunday, June 21, 2009 at 3:06 pm

   Here is a link to a techy who thinks the Twitter thing in Iran was Israeli inspired.
   He really lays out a lot of interesting info.

   http://intifada-palestine.com/2009/06/21/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter-iran-election/

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7. JoeC says:

   Sunday, June 21, 2009 at 4:54 pm

   Thanks for the info and links, Xman! I’m still digesting it. I think it would have been darn funny if after L.A. Laker fans rioted outside the Staples Center and lit fires and pelted policemen with bottles after winning the NBA championship, the Ayatollah warned America not to repress free speech or harm demonstrators. I’m with you Xman…the whole excessive over-the-top news coverage and one-sided inuendo smells to high heaven of a bunch of CIA/Mossad agents sitting in their cave Twittering away and stirring the pot.

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8. pelmo says:

   Sunday, June 21, 2009 at 8:45 pm

   Joe, Indigo and Xman I do believe the three of you along with millions of others are smoking that wacky tobaccy from the same bong.

   They are using the old magicians trick of distraction to do as they please and no one pays attention to what is really going on and affects us all.

   They have us distracted with North Korea and Iran as well as all this talk of torture and those infamous photos. everyone is running around like chickens with their heads cut off, all worried about what it all means.

   But yet we sit back and don’t even make mention of the fact unemployment keeps rising, as well as the price of oil and gas is skyrocketing even tho we have an over abundance of it and the price of gas should be around a dollar.

   Everyone cheers when a credit card reform bill is passed and it sounds good until a close look reveals that now they will be able to screw more people and increase their profits further.

   Nobody pays attention to the bills they attach to these fantastic sounding ones that in the long run keeps those that have, get even more and the rest of us pay for it.

   How long did they have my generation bull shitted with the fear of communism, and how many young guys died in Vietnam fighting this menace as billions were made fighting the war. Now billions are made as we loose good paying jobs to Vietnam.

   So don’t worry about these distractions, worry about what really affects our daily lives and those of our children and grand children. I drive trough industrial neighborhoods and see one factory after another being knocked to the ground and think of the hundreds of jobs these buildings represented, and no one makes mention of it.

   And if what you are saying is true about Iran, why in the hell are we getting excited about it, when we have so much more to worry about.

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9. Xman says:

   Sunday, June 21, 2009 at 9:02 pm

   Damn! Pelmo!
   Your BS detector is working good today.
   Actually, I agree with you. It is all a distraction. A shell game.
   But I’m a recovering shell game addict and I’m having a relapse…and I’m worried some idiot will turn it into my Dad’s war (Korea) or my war which damaged my faith in my country but left my body intact or now my nephews wars.
   Maybe some medicinal Marijuana will cure me.
   I need a cure because I have Disappointus Obamaitis.

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10. pelmo says:

    Monday, June 22, 2009 at 7:45 am

    And I agree with you Xman about these senseless wars that are killing and much worse maiming our young men and women. We get into these stupid conflicts for no reason at all, but to let generals play their silly games and coporations to make billions of dollars.

    Somebody has to explain to the idiots in Washington that you can’t play war games with a citizen army. It is one thing to use the National Guard as a short term fillin, in case of an emergency, but not as a full time army.

    You want a fun conspiracy theory I have. Keep the unemployment rate high. In a bleek market, when people can’t find work, where do they turn? The military, they are always hiring.This way you can fight the wars you have and look for new ones to create.

    From where I sit the reason for your Disappointus Obamaitis, is that the man sold his soul to the devil, just to be president.

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11. JoeC says:

    Monday, June 22, 2009 at 8:06 am

    I’m agreeing with you, too, Pelmo. The points you made are why I raise the issue of Iran — because if you look at CNN’s home page at the moment, the 10 top-most links are devoted to the situation in Iran. What’s more, the MSM’s brainwashing is working…I’m starting to hear the water-cooler talk revolve around supporting the party that lost the election, or even “time to invade.” It’s ridiculous, as you pointed out, to even consider such things when America is shutting down economically and we’re all sliding into the poor house. I do believe, as you also pointed out, it is a bigger attempt to keep us focused on “them” (whoever “them” is at the moment) instead of “us” and our own problems which the elite would put off fixing for as long as they can possibly continue to loot the middle class of America.

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12. Indigobusiness says:

    Monday, June 22, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Pelmo, you need to belly up to the bong.

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13. pelmo says:

    Monday, June 22, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    Indigo I tried it once about 35yrs ago, nothing happened, so now I stick to Scotch when I want a cocktail and beer with my burgers and pizza.

    Joe your right, with all those distractions they are picking our pockets clean, and only a few of us are noticing it. We were building a sizeable middle class, and in one swift motion they swooped down and made shure that it was brought back down to a managable size, by wiping out all those retirement and savings plans. Even those scollege savings plans that were supposed to be guaranteed are loosing there value also.

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14. Xman says:

    Saturday, June 27, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Don’t forget when the government in the 80’s let the corporations raid their own employee’s pension funds…because there was far more than ever needed in case of a downturn…….

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15. Pelmo says:

    Saturday, June 27, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Yes we do Xman, and how well both parties have their backers bickering back and forth over petty things and not paying attention to what is going in Washington as legislation is passed that makes the corporations and the elite more powerfull and the rest of us weaker.

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16. Indigobusiness says:

    Tuesday, June 30, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Seems American political discourse has devolved into the polemics of deaf-eared hired guns trading party positions, rather than honest intellectual discourse honing issues from opposing sides -with a real chance at sharpening the outcome. We’re doomed to dullness.

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    • Xman says:

      Friday, July 3, 2009 at 9:28 am

      Doesn’t do much for one’s mental health…does it?
      Time to go diving again….I call it my Salt Water Therapy. This time to the west coast of Baja. Yeah, I like the rough, cold water. Lobster, Abalone…and spearing big fish.

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17. Indigobusiness says:

    Friday, July 3, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Good luck, Xman. Beware the Humboldt squid.

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18. pelmo says:

    Monday, July 6, 2009 at 1:24 am

    Xman have fun. Greetings to yoiu all from Vilnius, Lithuania where I am at, celebrating the 1000th anniversary of this country.

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19. Xman says:

    Tuesday, July 7, 2009 at 10:42 am

    Thanks Pelmo.
    1000 years is really something. A friend from there told me that long ago they had bears all over and had to place huge stone blocks weighing several tons each…over the top of the graves of the rich and famous, so the bears couldn’t dig up dinner.

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20. pelmo says:

    Wednesday, July 8, 2009 at 12:28 am

    Thanks a lot for ruining my day, since I planned on going for a walk in the woods today.

    I did not talk of giant squids and monster sized sharks went you were going diving.

    One thing that is really nice about being here is that we are getting a real glimpse of how things were during and after WWII. The things you never read in history books.

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    • Xman says:

      Wednesday, July 15, 2009 at 1:02 pm

      What have you been up to over there, Pelmo?

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/15/lithuania-anti-gay-law-pr_n_233654.html

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21. Xman says:

    Monday, July 13, 2009 at 8:58 am

    Pelmo…Here, have a beer.
    I think the bears are all gone.

    Yep, once I see a grey shape slide by…my imagination can run wild. Luckily, it is almost always a seal.

    I am envious. Love talking to the old people talk about events they actually lived.

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