17 Responses to “The BushCo Legacy”

1. Indigobusiness says:

   Tuesday, December 30, 2008 at 5:41 pm

   Top 10 Bush Moments

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2. Indigobusiness says:

   Tuesday, December 30, 2008 at 5:45 pm

   Well, that didn’t work.

   Here’s the link.

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3. JoeC says:

   Tuesday, December 30, 2008 at 5:59 pm

   Too funny! I think in a few weeks when Bush becomes a former president, when he can finally bumble around without affecting a huge number of lives, he would be a great candidate for a new reality show.

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4. Indigobusiness says:

   Wednesday, December 31, 2008 at 3:34 am

   We could use some reality, as far as he’s concerned.
   There’s so much phoniness, obfuscation, and outright rewriting of history regarding this prez, it makes Reagan’s smoke and mirrors seem like a crystal ball.

   It troubles me how easily people will believe the “official story”, or what they would rather believe, rather than struggle with the difficult facts and harder truths.

   It seems to me we need to come clean as a nation in order to start anew, or else carry the baggage forever like a monkey on our back.

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5. Xman says:

   Wednesday, December 31, 2008 at 10:42 am

   You are in top form with this post, Joe.
   Biting wit is my favorite of all the forms.

   I easpecially like your idea of a FUBAR museum. Have thought of it often myself. It would be nice if in 10,000 years when archeologists are digging up our covilization, they were able to find the whole truth written on brass plates.

   I’ve also thought it would be nice to have a War Criminal museum.

   Unfortunately, “historical revisionism” is a pretty hard disease to wipe out.

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6. pelmo says:

   Wednesday, December 31, 2008 at 12:01 pm

   I am not here to defend Bush and his administration. The question is what type of leadership do we want.

   An open one that has minimal scandals as they break rules and regulations out in the open defiantly, such as Bush.

   Or a clandestine one riddled with scandals as they try to cover up all of those misdeeds, such as many previous administrations.

   Wheeling and dealing is the nature of the beast, and will not change with a boat load of promises. It’s that we tend to ignore it, or admit it since it’s our side that is the victor now.

   Xman history is what perspective you use to look at it. FDR and Churchill are considered great leaders of WWll from an American’s point of view. But ask old Eastern European’s what they think of these two and you will be told that they were the worst as they sold out to Stalin and forced millions to live under communism for all those years. So it is with Bush, if you back him, he was good, and if you did not he was the worst in history.

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7. Xman says:

   Wednesday, December 31, 2008 at 1:39 pm

   Completely understood, Pelmo.
   Clinton belongs in my War Criminal museum as well.
   As do many of our famous “Indian War” generals and politicians.
   Of course, then there is what Bartolomeo De Las Casas says about the toture and genocide brought to the America’s by Columbus, and the Spanish.

   We only have to watch the news these last few days to see that Bush is not the only one to ignore rules of war…or make them up or interpret them as they like or apply them as they like.

   “Normative rules are determined by power relations. Those with power determine what is legal and illegal. They besiege the weak in legal prohibitions to prevent the weak from resisting. For the weak to resist is illegal by definition. Concepts like terrorism are invented and used normatively as if a neutral court had produced them, instead of the oppressors. The danger in this excessive use of legality actually undermines legality, diminishing the credibility of international institutions such as the United Nations. It becomes apparent that the powerful, those who make the rules, insist on legality merely to preserve the power relations that serve them or to maintain their occupation and colonialism.”

   I don’t recall who said those words.

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8. Indigobusiness says:

   Wednesday, December 31, 2008 at 3:27 pm

   Corruption can be active or incidental. Bush’s brand is actively and incidentally corrupt. The worst sort is that which believes it is ultimately noble, and willingly makes ethical compromises because of that delusion.

   We need objective leaders, willing to make mistakes while willing to admit them. Refusing to accept responsibility resonates throughout the land and makes of us a culture of weasels.

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9. pelmo says:

   Thursday, January 1, 2009 at 9:14 am

   Xman isn’t it amazing that we are always told by those in power that they are doing all those things for our own good and safety. Yet every time they do it, I never feel better or safer. most of the time it is just the opposite.

   Indigo it is much easier to blame the opposition then to take responsibility for an error.

   If Nixon would have admitted right away that indeed there was a break in he would of survived and finished his term in office. Rather things kept compounding with every denial.

   Same goes with Clinton. If he would have admitted the affair with Monica, within a week it would have been old news and all that folly that went on for months would have never happened.

   Our leaders never seem to realize that to admit a mistake is a sign of strength, and that denial is a sign of weakness.

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10. libhomo says:

    Thursday, January 1, 2009 at 9:35 am

    I keep wondering what would actually be in a Bush unpresidential library. Coloring books?

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11. Indigobusiness says:

    Thursday, January 1, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    I just hope our new round of leadership has the cojones to be forthright.

    Meanwhile, our acting leader must be face down in the nog, he hasn’t shown
    his kisser since he dove into Crawford. And who is that bozo fielding questions in front of the blue curtain with the Western White House emblem?

    Gaza’s burning, ya know? Hello? Anybody home? May this entire administration reincarnate as refugees. That’s my New Year’s prayer.

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12. Xman says:

    Thursday, January 1, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Hey guys,
    Someone turned me onto a great alternative site.
    Right up our alley.
    If you have a hunger for “balance”, this site helps.

    http://www.therealnews.com

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13. JoeC says:

    Friday, January 2, 2009 at 8:50 am

    Thanks, Xman. Good site. It’s on the sidebar now so I can visit frequently (like, BEFORE I go to the CNNABCBSNBC in-the-bed-with-corporate-advertisement alphabet soup “sources.” But, I don’t think it will be very successful–not enough stories of Hollywood DUIs, not enough Lindsey Lohan or Brangelina, and the stories go too deep and spit out too many unspun facts :-) But I’m gonna love it.

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14. Pelmo says:

    Friday, January 2, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Xman the reason you are so turned on and not to well balanced, is due to your over use of those hand rolled funny looking cigarettes, that you got hooked on whille in San Francisco way back when.

    Joe we should get into a serious discussion of why we have gone from a nation that was looked up to and sent men to the moon; to a nation that is looking up at others and being passed up in everything from A to Z. We may look at your comment above and laugh, but it seems that is what we have become.

    Just one question, are you trying to keep me off this site by making this code stuff harder?

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    • JoeC says:

      Saturday, January 3, 2009 at 8:40 am

      That would be a good discussion, Pelmo…in my mind, some of it has to do with the bad things we’ve done recently, but we’ve always done bad things…took the land from native Americans and Mexico, used propaganda to get in a war with Spain, etc. So, I don’t think that’s totally it.

      In my mind, we’ve sort of run out of imagination. Look at the skyline of Dubai, or the modern marvels being built in other countries. How much progress have we made on the replacement World Trade Center tower? We’re bogged down in bureaucracy, and in the name of catching up to the rest of the world in math and science, seem to have attacked the problem at the expense of art and culture. But, that’s just the perception I get…I haven’t really looked at the facts. We may be behind the rest of the world in a lot of ways, but I’m guessing today’s generation of Americans are still smarter and live longer than previous generations. Maybe it’s just that the rest of the world has caught up to us, which is a good thing…that’s what we hoped for in the past, right? Bring all the other countries out of the wilderness? We can’t be good at everything…like an older adult, I think we’ve matured, and now, instead of still going out and trying to outrun some of the young whipper-snapper countries emerging into their prime, we should admire them and learn from them…like in health care…it’s time we learn from the systems of other countries. And like older adults, we still have a lot of wisdom to offer, if we would just admit the world doesn’t revolve around us and, you know, grow up and embrace the new kids.

      But, that’s just off the top of my head…probably deserves some googling and a few in-depth posts. I was thinking on writing a post on The American Dream — what the heck is it? It’s different to different people, and it’s been different in different time periods. Worth a look.

      P.S. The SPAM bots must have figured out the math comment blocker, so I’m trying a new one. I think THAT’s part of America’s image problem, too…we are still very smart and work hard…but we apply our smarts to inventing annoying things, like spam bots!!! :-)

      P.P.S. Just added Gravatar images to the comments…if you want your picture to show up, add your image over at http://www.gravatar.com.

      P.P.P.S. Hope these nested comments work…

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15. Xman says:

    Saturday, January 3, 2009 at 10:15 am

    Pelmo, I wish I could get hold of one of those funny little cigarettes. Unfortunately, I must look like a cop now and no one ever offers. Unbalanced? Yeah, it could have been one of those funny cigarettes…or it could have been getting stepped on by a police horse or gassed.

    Joe, I think you have a major point. I get the comment that we (USA) has a superior attitude, all the time. I get asked why we always say we are the first to do this or that and then they show an example that seems to contradict our propaganda. I get comments asking why we say we are the best democracy, when we ban certain images or discussion that their country allows.

    I have to agree that it would make for an uneasy relationship for one family in the neighborhood to always be claiming he was the best, first, biggest, brightest…and going around injecting itself into other families business and sometimes deciding to attack someone else in the neighborhood even when everyone didn’t agree…etc. etc. etc.

    Until we get rid of our “chosen people” attitude, things won’t get better. OR…they could get better without us.

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16. Pelmo says:

    Saturday, January 3, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Joe I think it is pure and simple greed. It seems that is all that drives our elected officials, big corporations and almost everyone else. The hell with everything as long as I get my fat share.

    All these other nations have no problem constructing all these wonders; and to top it off they always seem to come in on budget and on time. In this country the standard has become massive cost overruns, way behind schedule and most important the shody work. The Boston tunnel is a prime example as problems began with day one.

    Xman you hit it right on the head with the “chosen people” attitude. It seems that every time we are hit with a catastrophe, people run around acting like how dare it happen here. It’s supposed to happen to others in far away countries.

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