10 Responses to “Israel, Iran and the New Neocons”

1. The Holywriter says:

   Saturday, August 9, 2008 at 10:52 am

   So…they have no plan should Iran retaliate? Foreign policy should not be administered by daydreamers.

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2. Xman says:

   Saturday, August 9, 2008 at 11:03 am

   The “fawning” by that woman at the end is a good example of how most people act around celebrities, whether they like them or not. It reminds me of people trying to touch the robe of Christ or others…like Elvis.

   For some reason, I get the feeling Israel just feels they have a right to be the big dog in the middle east.
   I have two Jewish in-laws. It is impossible to have a reasonable discussion with them about the Arab-Israeli issue. Impossible. They react extremely defensively if I even ask a question or suggest there might be 2 sides to the issue. My sister in-law said the president of Iran was just like Hitler. I pointed out the lack of similarities and it made no difference. I read recently that the whole Israeli/Arab thing could have been avoided if the Jews had been given land/country in Germany at the end of the war. Sounds good to me. Putting aside who is right and who is wrong….It seems like the Israeli’s are like a metal sliver in an eye. A small group, being a big problem. Let’s see if I get hate mail, now….

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3. JoeC says:

   Saturday, August 9, 2008 at 3:15 pm

   Well said, Xman and Holywriter. I have nothing against tolerant Jewish people, tolerant Muslims, and tolerant Evangelical Christians. But I do have a beef with intolerant people who believe they are “chosen” any more than the poorest sickest child on the planet, or who want to hasten a second coming by kick starting Armageddon (Like, God created the heavens and the earth but is incapable of launching Armageddon on his/her/its own schedule like a thief in the night without assistance from William Kristol?)

   “Turn the other cheek” does not equal “preemptive attack.”
   “Respecting Iran’s sovereignty” does not equate to “antisemitism.”
   And, it’s also worth mentioning that…
   “Judaism” does not equate to “Zionism.” There are a lot of tolerant Christians and Muslims and Jews in the world, but radical proponents of all three social clubs have saddled their majorities with some pretty foul connotations.

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4. Dusty says:

   Monday, August 11, 2008 at 9:53 am

   Glad to see you fixed your site. ANP is a great information tool for everyone..I just wish they’re video’s didn’t automatically start when the site loads.

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5. pelmo says:

   Monday, August 11, 2008 at 10:42 am

   Xman and Joe, everything is done to put the radical voices in the spotlight and allow them to drown out the moderates and voices of reason. The louder and more ludicrous the statemnts the more play it gets in our news media. No attention is given to those with facts and figures and reasonable solutions.

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6. Indigobusiness says:

   Monday, August 11, 2008 at 1:45 pm

   Ever wonder what form the dialog and outrage would take should the unwashed masses have access to ALL the facts?

   Seems we’re kept running in circles, focused on all the rings of the circus except for the one with the fully legitimate drama.

   It’s difficult to even discern motives, let alone objectives.

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7. Xman says:

   Monday, August 11, 2008 at 3:41 pm

   Part of me is beginning to feel that my basic/default assumption is all wrong. The assumption that reason, logic and fairness are present in both sides. Recently, I’m beginning to suspect that there is really only one side…and that is the invisible puppet masters who control what looks like two sides. They pull their strings way up high above in the rigging of the stage where the audience can’t see them….so we assume they don’t really exist. We fall for the act on the stage being played by presidents, business leaders, and religious leaders. But we don’t see the strings attached to these people. We think they are in charge.

   Motives, Indigo, I suspect are the old tried and true, but well disguised ones. The old question: “Who benefits”? should always lead us to the puppet masters if we were skilled enough to see through the confusion. I am thinking it is always all about the money. I don’t think these big boys care a wit about religion or politics except as tools to get what they want. They simply want to own Park Place, Boardwalk, the utilities and the railroads and collect anytime we land on them…as well as have private/stacked access to “Community Chest”.

   That’s about as far out there as I can get and still find my way safely home.

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8. Indigobusiness says:

   Tuesday, August 12, 2008 at 6:53 pm

   I know the feeling, Xman, but it’s sort of like what Richard Feynman said about Quantum Physics, “If you think you understand it, then you don’t.” Or what David Ferrie said about the JFK mystery being a mystery wrapped in a riddle.

   Seems to me the Puppetmasters got their lines tangled awhile back, and can’t tell what string jerks which appendage. All that is certain are the jerks.

   They pretend to achievement and control, yet things are seriously out of control, and until the powers that be are willing to recognize that fact, the public dialog will be a lie. I choke on the smoke and bogus sunshine they send up over the Iraq situation. Bushco has been running out the clock forever, it seems. Like cockroaches after the light-switch is thrown, watch ‘em disappear as soon as possible.

   My view changed entirely when I began to see things as more cyclical, and less linear. Our culture’s linearity of ever onward and upward ignores the fact that great civilizations can collapse, and ours isn’t immune. Indeed, it is teetering.

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9. Xman says:

   Wednesday, August 13, 2008 at 3:10 pm

   Thanks Indigo,
   The cycles are what will save us. It reminds me of Chauncy Gardener in “Being There”. When the simple gardener offers simple truisms to our country in a time of moral need. He talks about the refreshing nature of the seasons(cycles).

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10. Indigobusiness says:

    Wednesday, August 13, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    zactly

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