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	<title>Comments on: Illegal Immigration Part 1: A Deluge of Illegal Facts</title>
	<link>http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/06/01/a-deluge-of-illegal-facts/</link>
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		<title>by: pelmo</title>
		<link>http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/06/01/a-deluge-of-illegal-facts/#comment-32700</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As I see it, it is not illegal immigration, but in fact an invasion by a foreign nation without the use of military power. And I can't believe how easily we are giving in to all the demands made by these invaders.
And the worst part is how the politicians are willing to give away the farm for a few votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I see it, it is not illegal immigration, but in fact an invasion by a foreign nation without the use of military power. And I can&#8217;t believe how easily we are giving in to all the demands made by these invaders.<br />
And the worst part is how the politicians are willing to give away the farm for a few votes.
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		<title>by: Pete Murphy</title>
		<link>http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/06/01/a-deluge-of-illegal-facts/#comment-32699</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/06/01/a-deluge-of-illegal-facts/#comment-32699</guid>
					<description>An excellent summary of the state of illegal immigration!  If you think there are a lot of illegal immigrants in the U.S. (and there are), wait till you see when you begin researching the number of legal immigrants!

Rampant population growth threatens our economy and quality of life.  Immigration, both legal and illegal, are fueling this growth.  I'm not talking just about the obvious problems that we see in the news - growing dependence on foreign oil, carbon emissions, soaring commodity prices, environmental degradation, etc.  I'm talking about the effect upon rising unemployment and poverty in America.  

I should introduce myself.  I am the author of a book titled &quot;Five Short Blasts:  A New Economic Theory Exposes The Fatal Flaw in Globalization and Its Consequences for America.&quot;  To make a long story short,  as population density rises beyond some optimum level, per capita consumption of products begins to decline out of the need to conserve space.  People who live in crowded conditions simply don’t have enough space to use and store many products.  This declining per capita consumption, in the face of rising productivity (per capita output, which always rises), inevitably yields rising unemployment and poverty. 

This theory has huge implications for U.S. policy toward population management, especially immigration policy.  Our policies of encouraging high rates of immigration are rooted in the belief of economists that population growth is a good thing, fueling economic growth.  Through most of human history, the interests of the common good and business (corporations) were both well-served by continuing population growth.  For the common good, we needed more workers to man our factories, producing the goods needed for a high standard of living.  This population growth translated into sales volume growth for corporations.  Both were happy.  

But, once an optimum population density is breached, their interests diverge.  It is in the best interest of the common good to stabilize the population, avoiding an erosion of our quality of life through high unemployment and poverty.  However, it is still in the interest of corporations to fuel population growth because, even though per capita consumption goes into decline, total consumption still increases.  We now find ourselves in the position of having corporations and economists influencing public policy in a direction that is not in the best interest of the common good.  

The U.N. ranks the U.S. with eight other countries - India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Bangladesh, Uganda, Ethiopia and China - as accounting for fully half of the world’s population growth by 2050.  The U.S. is the only developed country still experiencing third world-like population growth, most of which is due to immigration.   It's absolutely imperative that our population be stabilized, and that's impossible without dramatically reining in immigration, both legal and illegal.

If you’re interested in learning more about this important new economic theory, I invite you to visit my web site at OpenWindowPublishingCo.com where you can read the preface, join in my blog discussion and, of course, purchase the book if you like.  (It's also available at Amazon.com.)

Please forgive the somewhat &quot;spammish&quot; nature of the previous paragraph.   I just don't know how else to inject this new perspective into the immigration debate without drawing attention to the book that explains the theory.

Pete Murphy
Author, Five Short Blasts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent summary of the state of illegal immigration!  If you think there are a lot of illegal immigrants in the U.S. (and there are), wait till you see when you begin researching the number of legal immigrants!</p>
<p>Rampant population growth threatens our economy and quality of life.  Immigration, both legal and illegal, are fueling this growth.  I&#8217;m not talking just about the obvious problems that we see in the news - growing dependence on foreign oil, carbon emissions, soaring commodity prices, environmental degradation, etc.  I&#8217;m talking about the effect upon rising unemployment and poverty in America.  </p>
<p>I should introduce myself.  I am the author of a book titled &#8220;Five Short Blasts:  A New Economic Theory Exposes The Fatal Flaw in Globalization and Its Consequences for America.&#8221;  To make a long story short,  as population density rises beyond some optimum level, per capita consumption of products begins to decline out of the need to conserve space.  People who live in crowded conditions simply don’t have enough space to use and store many products.  This declining per capita consumption, in the face of rising productivity (per capita output, which always rises), inevitably yields rising unemployment and poverty. </p>
<p>This theory has huge implications for U.S. policy toward population management, especially immigration policy.  Our policies of encouraging high rates of immigration are rooted in the belief of economists that population growth is a good thing, fueling economic growth.  Through most of human history, the interests of the common good and business (corporations) were both well-served by continuing population growth.  For the common good, we needed more workers to man our factories, producing the goods needed for a high standard of living.  This population growth translated into sales volume growth for corporations.  Both were happy.  </p>
<p>But, once an optimum population density is breached, their interests diverge.  It is in the best interest of the common good to stabilize the population, avoiding an erosion of our quality of life through high unemployment and poverty.  However, it is still in the interest of corporations to fuel population growth because, even though per capita consumption goes into decline, total consumption still increases.  We now find ourselves in the position of having corporations and economists influencing public policy in a direction that is not in the best interest of the common good.  </p>
<p>The U.N. ranks the U.S. with eight other countries - India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Bangladesh, Uganda, Ethiopia and China - as accounting for fully half of the world’s population growth by 2050.  The U.S. is the only developed country still experiencing third world-like population growth, most of which is due to immigration.   It&#8217;s absolutely imperative that our population be stabilized, and that&#8217;s impossible without dramatically reining in immigration, both legal and illegal.</p>
<p>If you’re interested in learning more about this important new economic theory, I invite you to visit my web site at OpenWindowPublishingCo.com where you can read the preface, join in my blog discussion and, of course, purchase the book if you like.  (It&#8217;s also available at Amazon.com.)</p>
<p>Please forgive the somewhat &#8220;spammish&#8221; nature of the previous paragraph.   I just don&#8217;t know how else to inject this new perspective into the immigration debate without drawing attention to the book that explains the theory.</p>
<p>Pete Murphy<br />
Author, Five Short Blasts
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		<title>by: Xman</title>
		<link>http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/06/01/a-deluge-of-illegal-facts/#comment-32698</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gotta love them facts!
When something is illegal, a lot of facts are hidden in the dark.
Before you can manage something, you have to get it under control.
Before you can get it under control, you have to cut what is feeding it.
I certainly think border control is needed.
At the same time, if you have ever lived next door to a family of illegals...and their adorable little kids...and get invited for beers, tacos...or just have them passed over the fence to you, or find them ready to lend a hand getting your car out of the snowed in driveway, you find yourself forced into understanding the issue based on &quot;emotional&quot; facts, not just &quot;number&quot; facts.

Fear and numbers just don't seem to use much compassion in their calculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta love them facts!<br />
When something is illegal, a lot of facts are hidden in the dark.<br />
Before you can manage something, you have to get it under control.<br />
Before you can get it under control, you have to cut what is feeding it.<br />
I certainly think border control is needed.<br />
At the same time, if you have ever lived next door to a family of illegals&#8230;and their adorable little kids&#8230;and get invited for beers, tacos&#8230;or just have them passed over the fence to you, or find them ready to lend a hand getting your car out of the snowed in driveway, you find yourself forced into understanding the issue based on &#8220;emotional&#8221; facts, not just &#8220;number&#8221; facts.</p>
<p>Fear and numbers just don&#8217;t seem to use much compassion in their calculations.
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		<title>by: jodi</title>
		<link>http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/06/01/a-deluge-of-illegal-facts/#comment-32697</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>p.s. Sorry for the grammer and spelling.  I was pressed for time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Sorry for the grammer and spelling.  I was pressed for time.
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		<title>by: jodi</title>
		<link>http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/06/01/a-deluge-of-illegal-facts/#comment-32696</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/06/01/a-deluge-of-illegal-facts/#comment-32696</guid>
					<description>I have to say...  Zeezil did have a lot to say.  I read as much as I could during my short break at work.  I felt compelled to extend my sympothies to the families of those children that were killed.  It is very unfortunate that it was an &quot;illegal&quot; driver that killed those children.  That being said, there are many people killed each day by wreckless drivers, not all of them being illegal.  A coworker of mine was killed last week by a 35 year old citizen who was fleeing cops after a drug deal.  Aliens are not the only ones breaking the law.  Where is in our culture there are many degrees of &quot;law breaking&quot;, in the big picture all &quot;sins&quot; are equal.  I am guilty of speeding, running stop lights, jay walking.....  Just to name a few.  Laws are broken by our leaders everyday, and everyone just turns a blind eye to it.  I can't say that If I were starving and needed to feed my family, that I would not cross over the border myself if the tables were turned.  It is really hard to judge a person unless you have walked in their shoes.  

I agree with Joe when he says we have to put our emotion aside to find the answer to this &quot;problem&quot;.  

A peaceful mind brings change.  An antaganistic mind only feeds the problem. 

Before everyone starts blaming &quot;the mexicans&quot; on everything, please take a good look at yourself.  If you can prove that you are perfect and that you have never done anything wrong, please, by all means grab your stones and start throwing.  Otherwise,  keep your comments to yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say&#8230;  Zeezil did have a lot to say.  I read as much as I could during my short break at work.  I felt compelled to extend my sympothies to the families of those children that were killed.  It is very unfortunate that it was an &#8220;illegal&#8221; driver that killed those children.  That being said, there are many people killed each day by wreckless drivers, not all of them being illegal.  A coworker of mine was killed last week by a 35 year old citizen who was fleeing cops after a drug deal.  Aliens are not the only ones breaking the law.  Where is in our culture there are many degrees of &#8220;law breaking&#8221;, in the big picture all &#8220;sins&#8221; are equal.  I am guilty of speeding, running stop lights, jay walking&#8230;..  Just to name a few.  Laws are broken by our leaders everyday, and everyone just turns a blind eye to it.  I can&#8217;t say that If I were starving and needed to feed my family, that I would not cross over the border myself if the tables were turned.  It is really hard to judge a person unless you have walked in their shoes.  </p>
<p>I agree with Joe when he says we have to put our emotion aside to find the answer to this &#8220;problem&#8221;.  </p>
<p>A peaceful mind brings change.  An antaganistic mind only feeds the problem. </p>
<p>Before everyone starts blaming &#8220;the mexicans&#8221; on everything, please take a good look at yourself.  If you can prove that you are perfect and that you have never done anything wrong, please, by all means grab your stones and start throwing.  Otherwise,  keep your comments to yourself.
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