Comments on: How to Defuse a War with Iran http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/05/19/how-to-defuse-a-war-with-iran/ A dissident twist of reality... Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:23:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Xman http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/05/19/how-to-defuse-a-war-with-iran/#comment-32664 Fri, 23 May 2008 16:17:11 +0000 http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/05/19/how-to-defuse-a-war-with-iran/#comment-32664 I was drafted into the Army during Vietnam. Bootcamp was pretty mellow compared to what I hear the Marines are/was. But, it was pretty easy to turn me - a nineteen year old - into a "gook hater". Totally agree with you guys on major reasons not to trust our government. btw, have I shared with you our place in the democracy rating index? We are #17. www.economist.com Look at "Democracy Index". For some reason I can't copy/paste a pdf for you. I was drafted into the Army during Vietnam. Bootcamp was pretty mellow compared to what I hear the Marines are/was. But, it was pretty easy to turn me - a nineteen year old - into a “gook hater”.

Totally agree with you guys on major reasons not to trust our government.

btw, have I shared with you our place in the democracy rating index?
We are #17.

www.economist.com Look at “Democracy Index”.

For some reason I can’t copy/paste a pdf for you.

]]> by: JoeC http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/05/19/how-to-defuse-a-war-with-iran/#comment-32662 Thu, 22 May 2008 15:51:11 +0000 http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/05/19/how-to-defuse-a-war-with-iran/#comment-32662 From what I've heard, that's a big part of boot camp...breaking a person down so they don't question orders. And I can see where that's necessary for an Army to work efficiently and properly...you need a chain of command and total trust. But, the recent Commanders In Chief have totally destroyed the majority of reasons to trust them, so I agree...blind trust should be out the door until they rebuild that trust, and hopefully China or Russia won't invade during that period of rebuilding trust (and I'm not holding my breath that any Command in Chief will actually bother to seriously rebuild trust in my lifetime...) As for patriotism...I feel much the same as you do. I'm grateful to live in America, and I appreciate all those who have sacrificed to give me the freedoms we have, but I do not appreciate the apathy that has led to BushCo running roughshod over my country's constitution the past few years, and I do not appreciate the work of the terrorists at the CIA (a terrorist by any other name is still a terrorist...) over most of the past century. It is high time for people to cautiously question everything until America sets some sort of track record for moral high ground again. And I don't think asking questions is traitorous...in fact, it's one of the responsibilities our founding fathers suggested most. From what I’ve heard, that’s a big part of boot camp…breaking a person down so they don’t question orders. And I can see where that’s necessary for an Army to work efficiently and properly…you need a chain of command and total trust. But, the recent Commanders In Chief have totally destroyed the majority of reasons to trust them, so I agree…blind trust should be out the door until they rebuild that trust, and hopefully China or Russia won’t invade during that period of rebuilding trust (and I’m not holding my breath that any Command in Chief will actually bother to seriously rebuild trust in my lifetime…)

As for patriotism…I feel much the same as you do. I’m grateful to live in America, and I appreciate all those who have sacrificed to give me the freedoms we have, but I do not appreciate the apathy that has led to BushCo running roughshod over my country’s constitution the past few years, and I do not appreciate the work of the terrorists at the CIA (a terrorist by any other name is still a terrorist…) over most of the past century. It is high time for people to cautiously question everything until America sets some sort of track record for moral high ground again. And I don’t think asking questions is traitorous…in fact, it’s one of the responsibilities our founding fathers suggested most.

]]> by: Lynne http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/05/19/how-to-defuse-a-war-with-iran/#comment-32661 Thu, 22 May 2008 14:09:36 +0000 http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/05/19/how-to-defuse-a-war-with-iran/#comment-32661 George Bush and company could do nothing—nothing—without the efforts of all of our men and women in the military. If they all refused to participate in any more illegal wars—as Lt. Watada has done—there would be no invasion of yet another country. I'm not waving the flag in blind patriotism any longer. I have realized that to kill someone who has done nothing to you merely because someone else tells you to is the definition of insanity. George Bush and company could do nothing—nothing—without the efforts of all of our men and women in the military. If they all refused to participate in any more illegal wars—as Lt. Watada has done—there would be no invasion of yet another country.

I’m not waving the flag in blind patriotism any longer. I have realized that to kill someone who has done nothing to you merely because someone else tells you to is the definition of insanity.

]]> by: Xman http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/05/19/how-to-defuse-a-war-with-iran/#comment-32652 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:03:56 +0000 http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/05/19/how-to-defuse-a-war-with-iran/#comment-32652 Hey Pelmo, nice idea. Made me smile. Great beer and might be elbow to elbow with real revolutionaries. I bet they bash Bush very creatively, over there. Then I thought about beer and driving on the wrong side, talking to terrorists and ending up on the no-fly. But, if I wasn't on my way to climb Whitney, I might think about it. Hey Pelmo, nice idea. Made me smile.
Great beer and might be elbow to elbow with real revolutionaries.
I bet they bash Bush very creatively, over there.
Then I thought about beer and driving on the wrong side, talking to terrorists and ending up on the no-fly.
But, if I wasn’t on my way to climb Whitney, I might think about it.

]]> by: JoeC http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/05/19/how-to-defuse-a-war-with-iran/#comment-32650 Tue, 20 May 2008 05:52:36 +0000 http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2008/05/19/how-to-defuse-a-war-with-iran/#comment-32650 Would love to be there, Pelmo. Sounds truly inviting. Alas, for the mean time, I'll have to tip a glass here and have a virtual long-distance drink to your health. Funny you should mention "passport" because I'm heavily into a post about a passport at this very moment...some sort of synchronicity or ESP going on there...you'll see it posted in a bit. Would love to be there, Pelmo. Sounds truly inviting. Alas, for the mean time, I’ll have to tip a glass here and have a virtual long-distance drink to your health. Funny you should mention “passport” because I’m heavily into a post about a passport at this very moment…some sort of synchronicity or ESP going on there…you’ll see it posted in a bit.

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