The September 11, 2001 Attacks

10 False Flags that Changed the World: #1

What really happened on September 11, 2001? There are too many speculations to examine in this space, but one ludicrous conspiracy theory deserves mention. It goes like this:

A 44-year-old former CIA asset, operating out of a cave in Afghanistan, coordinated a plot whereby — without any inside help — four hijacked airliners, piloted by 19 flight school dropouts, flew around the most secure airspace in the world for almost two hours, unopposed by 35 in-range USAF bases. Then the incapable pilots brought down three (yes, 3…) Manhattan skyscrapers, and even rammed a jet into the headquarters of the world’s most technologically superior military without a single anti-aircraft missile being fired.

Many people who were witness and victim to the tragedy agree that, without help from both Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, this theory fails to explain the catastrophic events of that day.

According to WTC maintenance employee, William Rodriguez:

William Rodriguez and President Bush

“There’s reality, and there’s illusion. When illusion becomes reality, that’s a problem. Nine-eleven is a giant illusion. Besides, what can they do to me? I’m a national hero, Bush told me so himself.”

On September 11, 2001, Rodriguez opened locked stairwell doors for firefighters and single-handedly rescued 15 people. He was the last person to exit the North Tower alive.

An Opportune Nightmare

In criminal investigations, detectives look for a motive. In the case of the 9/11 tragedy, there were so many motives that it might be shorter to list who DIDN’T stand to benefit. Nevertheless, here are some reasons some might have welcomed the attacks…

The Twin Towers Were an Asbestos Bombshell

Like many buildings built in the 1970s, the twin towers were constructed with vast quantities of cancer-causing asbestos. The cost of removing the Twin Tower asbestos? A year’s worth of revenues at a minimum; possibly as much as the value of the buildings themselves.

Twin Tower Asbestos
The cost to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor would have run into the double-digit billions. In addition, the Port Authority was prohibited from demolishing the towers because the resulting asbestos dust would cover the entire city, which it did when they collapsed, resulting in many cancers with a confirmed link to the WTC dust.

Despite its questionable status, in January of 2001, Larry Silverstein made a $3.2 billion bid for the World Trade Center. On July 24 the Port Authority accepted the offer. Silverstein then took out an insurance policy that, understandably, covered terrorist attacks, which happened seven weeks later. To date, Silverstein has been awarded almost $5 billion from nine different insurance companies. What was an asbestos nightmare turned into a $1.8 billion profit.

War Profiteers Needed a New Pearl Harbor

Rebuilding America’s Defenses, a year 2000 report from the neo-conservative think tank, Project for the New American Century, says:

“To preserve American military preeminence in the coming decades, the Department of Defense must move more aggressively…the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”

The report maintains that a world dominated by America, both economically and militarily, is good for everybody on the planet — especially the greedy pockets of the U.S. Military Industrial Complex.

One may wonder what highly-intelligent brains are doing the thinking in the PNAC tank. Members have included:

    PNAC

  • Dick Cheney
  • Jeb Bush
  • Donald Rumsfeld
  • Paul Wolfowitz
  • Scooter Libby
  • John Bolton
  • Dov S. Zakheim
  • Robert B. Zoellick
  • Richard Perle
  • William Kristol
  • Dan Quayle

The fact is, war profiteers needed a new war to keep the gravy train rolling. Thanks to 9/11, they got two: one in Afghanistan, and one in Iraq.

While citizens pay the Pentagon more money to fight these wars, let’s not forget what Donald Rumsfeld said about the Pentagon on the morning of September 10, 2001: “According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions.” That bombshell was pretty much forgotten by the next morning.

So, as a reward for losing $8,000 for every man, woman, and child in America, taxpayers patriotically forked over another $370 billion and counting to invade Iraq. True to form, the Pentagon promptly lost $9 billion of that money, too.

The Patriot Act

Tapped phoneBesides enabling the neocons to fund the growth of an empire already glutted with over 700 overseas bases in 130 countries, the attacks handed a lackluster administration the political power to abolish fundamental American freedoms while increasing corporate domination.

Eight days after the attacks, the 342-page Patriot Act was given to Congress. That same week, letters armed with anthrax from a U.S. military lab entered the mail. Subsequently, while Congressional offices were evacuated, examined, cleaned, and nasal cavities swabbed, the Patriot Act remained largely unread.

Then, with little debate, the Patriot Act became law, giving the Bush administration unprecedented power to access people’s medical records, tax records, information about the books they bought or borrowed, and the power to conduct secret residential searches without notifying owners that their homes had been searched.

Oil

In early 2001, executives from Shell, BP, and Exxon met with Dick Cheney’s Energy Task Force while it was developing its new national energy policy. Later, the companies freely admitted interest in profiting from Iraq’s oil fields, even before the U.S. invaded Iraq.

And now? A new Iraq hydrocarbon law expected to pass in March will open the door for international investors, led by BP, Exxon and Shell, to siphon off 75 percent of Iraq oil wealth for the next 30 years.

Helping Let 9/11 Happen

Put two and two together, and the picture that most clearly takes shape New York Times 9/11is an inside job that exploited a genuine terrorist plot.

According to this theory, real terrorists were groomed and sent on a mission to hijack and crash planes into American targets. However, elements within the U.S. government knew of the coming attacks and decided to benefit from them.

These insiders obstructed investigations by the FBI, ensured a standdown of air defenses, rigged buildings to collapse, and influenced the terrorist organization at a high level — high enough to choose the targets and the date of the operation.

These insiders cleared the way, let it happen, and planted plenty of evidence to incriminate the patsies.

Blocked Investigations

Lt. Col. Anthony ShafferAccording to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, a Bronze Star recipient with 22 years of experience in intelligence operations, a classified intelligence program codenamed Able Danger had uncovered two of the three 9/11 terrorist cells a year before the attacks, and had identified four of the hijackers. Shaffer alerted the FBI in September of 2000, but the meetings he tried to set up with bureau officials were repeatedly blocked by military lawyers. Four credible witnesses have come forward to verify Shaffer’s claims.

In the fall of 2000, two of the Flight 77 hijackers moved in with an FBI informant while they took flight-school lessons in San Diego. The CIA already had the two under surveillance because they had just returned from an al Qaeda summit in Malaysia. Somehow, both the CIA and the FBI allowed the two suspected terrorists to travel in and out of the country and buy airline tickets without raising a flag.

FBI Agent Kenneth WilliamsIn July of 2001, Phoenix FBI special agent Kenneth Williams sent FBI headquarters a memo, subtitled “Osama bin Laden and Al-Muhjiroun supporters attending civil aviation universities/colleges in Arizona.” His recommendation to investigate terrorists training at aviation schools was ignored by FBI headquarters.

In August, a Pan Am International Flight Academy instructor warned the FBI that a student (Zacarias Moussaoui) might use a commercial plane loaded with fuel as a weapon. The instructor asked, “Do you realize that a 747 loaded with fuel can be used as a bomb?” Moussaoui was then arrested on immigration charges, but despite the repeated urging of the school and local agents, FBI headquarters refused a deeper investigation.

The U.S. also received dozens of detailed warnings — names, locations, dates — from the intelligence agencies of Indonesia, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Egypt, Jordan, India, Argentina, Morocco, Russia, Israel, France, and even the Taliban. It would seem that the entire world was onto the bungling Saudi hijackers, and somewhat perplexed that the U.S. wasn’t taking preventative actions. But in each case the U.S., as if by design, chose not to investigate.

War Games and the USAF Standdown

“I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon; that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile.” ~Condoleezza Rice, May 16, 2002.

Pentagon MASCAL exerciseBecause of the Pentagon’s MASCAL exercise in October, 2000, and the disruption of al Qaeda’s Operation Bojinka in 1995, we know the above quote from Condoleezza Rice is categorically bull excrement.

We also know that on the morning of 9/11, multiple Air Force war games and drills were in progress, all under the umbrella command of Dick Cheney. The hijackers would have never made it to their targets without these multiple, simultaneous war games:

  • Operation Northern Vigilance ensured that many jet fighters that would have normally been patrolling the east coast were flying over Alaska and northern Canada in a drill that simulated a Russian air attack, complete with false radar blips.

  • Operation Vigilant Guardian simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector. While real hijackers were in the same airspace, this drill had NORAD and the Air Force reacting to false blips on FAA radar screens. Some of these blips corresponded to real military aircraft in the air posing as hijacked aircraft. That’s why when NORAD’s airborne control officer, Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, heard Boston claim it had a hijacked airliner, her first words were, “It must be part of the exercise.”

  • Biowarfare Exercise Tripod II was a terror drill that called for FEMA’s National Urban Search and Rescue Team to arrive in town the night before the attacks. Because the drill involved setting up a command post at Pier 29, it was all good and ready for Rudolph Giuliani to use when his regular disaster command post in WTC Building 7 collapsed.

“If our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the twin towers would still be standing, and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. That is treason!” ~Retired Air Force Colonel Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. “Star Wars” space defense.

The WTC Demolitions

Except for the three WTC collapses on 9/11, no fire — and there have been some very severe ones — has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse.

Windsor building on fire in MadridNot the Windsor Building fire, which engulfed a 32-story building in downtown Madrid in February, 2005. The building burned like a torch for twenty hours, reaching temperatures above 1,400 degrees Fahrenheit. But once the fire cooled, cranes had to be assembled and it took 6 months to disassemble the skeleton piece by piece, at a cost of over $28 million.

And not the One Meridian Plaza fire, which started in a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia in 1991. Philadelphia’s worst fire ever raged for 18 hours, gutted eight floors, and was hot enough to crack granite. But no part of the building collapsed.

First Interstate Bank Fire in Los AngelesAnd not even the First Interstate Bank fire that destroyed floors 12-16 of a 62-story building in Los Angeles in 1988. Despite being regarded as the worst, most devastating high-rise fire in the history of Los Angeles, and blazing for over three hours, there was no damage to the main steel structural members and only minor damage to one secondary beam.

Yet, three steel-framed skyscrapers collapsed on September 11, 2001. And World Trade Center 7 wasn’t even hit by a plane. The 47-story building’s 58 steel perimeter columns and 25 steel core columns all broke, simultaneously, at 5:20 pm.

The offices of the Secret Service, Department of Defense, SEC, IRS, and CIA offices, along with all their files, disappeared into the footprint of WTC 7, along with the rest of the building. To this date, nobody has explained how or why the building collapsed. The closest official explanation has been from FEMA’s report:

“Loss of structural integrity was likely a result of weakening caused by fires on the 5th to 7th floors. The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.”

In other words, they don’t know either. Some witnesses reported demolition bombs and charges inside the buildings. Some physics professors point to evidence that thermite was used. Some employees note that there were powerdowns and construction crews “upgrading cable” during the previous weekend. But, really, what made the buildings collapse?

Only one thing’s for sure: It wasn’t jet fuel from hijacked planes.

Protecting the Official Lie

The masterminds behind a false flag operation on the scale of the 9/11 attacks could hardly paint a flawless picture. For people who look, there are quite a few visible brush strokes that betray the fake official story.

The Missing Black Boxes

Each plane that hit the WTC had two black boxes: a flight data recorder, and a cockpit voice recorder. These nearly indestructible black boxes are built to withstand 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit for an hour and an impact of 3,400 G’s.

WTC rubbleHonorary firefighter Mike Bellone and retired New York firefighter Nicholas DeMasi claimed to have found three of the four black boxes in the WTC rubble before 2002. They said they turned the boxes over to FBI agents, who then told them to stay quiet.

But, according to the FBI and the 9/11 Commission Report, even though the WTC rubble was combed for fingernails and bone fragments, not a single one of the four indestructible black boxes was found. However, National Transportation Safety Board spokesperson Ted Lopatkiewicz said that he couldn’t recall a domestic case before 9/11/01 in which the recorders were not recovered.

Planted Evidence

911 deception dollarWhile the FBI would have us believe that the four indestructible black boxes were vaporized when the airplanes hit the twin towers, hijacker Al-Suqami’s passport was found by a passerby in the vicinity of Vesey Street minutes after the first plane hit the north tower. Even though the plane and its passengers were almost entirely vaporized, the pristine passport must have flown out of his pocket and avoided the steel-melting fireball.

Besides the magic passport, other suspicious evidence has conveniently surfaced to make sure the hijackers are linked to 9/11. For instance, two of ringleader Mohamed Atta’s bags didn’t get checked onto the plane. His luggage was the only passenger’s luggage that didn’t make the flight. Besides procedure manuals for Boeing aircraft, the bags contained Atta’s passport, a Koran, and lots of letters.

FBI agent Warren Flagg says, “How do you think the government was able to identify all 19 hijackers almost immediately after the attacks. They were identified through those papers in the luggage. And that’s how it was known so soon that al-Qaida was behind the hijackings.”

Resisting an Investigation

Bush and CheneyFrom day one, President Bush fought against the creation of a Sept. 11 commission. Only after enormous pressure due to the 9/11 Widows did he finally cave in. But even then, he refused to testify under oath, or on the record. And then, he asked the commission to let mastermind Dick Cheney do all his talking, in the White House. And he asked the commission not to take notes, either. So, who looks guilty?

Conclusion

If you follow the money…and we’re talking trillions of dollars here…you can see that the people with the most to gain occupied the key military and civilian positions to help 9/11 happen, as well as to cover up the crime. Such is the hallmark of false flag operations throughout history. But the incredible scale of the 9/11 sham, and the sheer number of people who still refuse to see the mountain of truth in front of their eyes…that’s what makes the September 11, 2001 attacks the greatest false flag operation of all time.

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“The bottom line is that all wars are contrived. Rich bankers and financiers pull the strings to put these horrific events like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor into motion. It’s simply bizarre.” ~Ross Wittenberg, former Vietnam pilot with over 100 combat missions and a commercial pilot for Pan Am and United for some 35 years.

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“Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. …Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” ~Hermann Göring, Nazi war criminal.

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“Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty.” ~George W. Bush, speaking before the UN General Assembly.

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“In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people…will more easily fall victim to a great lie than to a small one.” ~Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

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“No one could have conceivably imagined suicide bombers burrowing into our society and then emerging all in the same day to fly their aircraft – fly U.S. aircraft into buildings full of innocent people – and show no remorse. This is a new kind of — a new kind of evil. And we understand. And the American people are beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while.” ~George W. Bush.

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Go to the previous article in this series:
Phantoms in the Gulf of Tonkin.

Go to the original article in this series:
10 False Flags that Changed the World.

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142 Responses to The September 11, 2001 Attacks

  1. JoeC says:

    Len: You said: “If I had hours of free time I could rebut the rest of your nonsense.” Apparently, you DO have hours of free time. Lately, I don’t. How about something maybe we can agree on: Saddam had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

  2. Len says:

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    • JoeC Says:
    December 6th, 2008 at 12:11 am
    Len: You said: “If I had hours of free time I could rebut the rest of your nonsense.” Apparently, you DO have hours of free time. Lately, I don’t.
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    In other words you can’t rebut my posts so you’ll make up excuses instead.

    Actually it didn’t take me too long to write my posts because I know the subject matter. Presumably however you spent several hours writing the about the “10 false flags”

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    How about something maybe we can agree on: Saddam had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.
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    Yeah I also agree that seawater is salty, AFAIK not even Bush claimed Saddam was involved in 9/11 though IIRC he did claim he backed AQ

  3. Len says:

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    • Indigobusiness Says:
    December 5th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
    Len is a shill, that much is clear.
    “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
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    In other words you can’t rebut my posts so you’ll call me a shill instead. Funny Joe obviously spent far more time on his post but you don’t think he’s “protesting too much”

  4. Len Says:
    December 6th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
    “Blah, blah, blah, rebut, blah…you don’t think , blah, blah…”

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    Dear Len, I wouldn’t but your posts, much less rebut them. I prefer to read between the lines, it’s more telling.

    You’re right: about some things, I don’t think. Why would I?

  5. Xman says:

    Like I said before: Commissions are for cover ups. If they weren’t, then we’d get an indictment once in awhile.

    Some people choose to question, some prefer to defend the status quo and not ask questions.
    I’ll go with those who ask questions every time. The odds for finding truth are better.

  6. JoeC says:

    Ok, Len, where to start…let’s just take the first thing you brought up in your first rebuttal…

    LOL you claim that the Patriot Act was ready in 8 days but your own source said it was 45. This is indictive and you and other “truthers” “research”

    In fact, the first draft of what would later be retitled the Patriot Act was introduced to Congress on 9/19/2001, only eight days after the 9/11 attacks. Patriot Act legislation introduced 9/19/2001.

    What I find hysterically illogical is how you denigrate the research of “truthers” (your belittling quotes, not mine), then try to use that same “sloppy” research as golden truth in an attempt to nullify something I’ve said.

    Anyway, the legislation you refer to that was introduced to Congress 45 days after 9/11 was a revision of the legislation introduced 8 days after 9/11, only with a new title. So, technically, you’re right: the first time the Patriot Act was introduced by that title was 45 days after 9/11. But, the first gigantic draft of the legislation was ready, printed out, and handed to Congress on 9/19 — just 8 days after 9/11. And that’s the truth.

  7. Len says:

    1] I never disputed that earlier versions of the PA were introduced 8 days after 9/11 only that the source you cited to support that claim said it was 45 in the 1st paragraph. It’s not my responsibility to debunk your claims but rather yours to document them. Truth be told it was introduced 21 days after.

    2] It’s true that various anti-terrorism bills were introduced in the days following the attacks, were any of them daft versions of the PA I don’t think so. Officially the 1st version was introduced Oct 2. The Washington Post ran a 5 page article about the passage of the act (linked below) and made no mention of the Sept. 19 bill. Am I correct in suspecting you just assumed this was true because you saw it on the “Timeline”? You do know that it’s almost like Wikipedia anyone can add an entry, the only difference being you have to create an account and log in. The only evidence supplied in support of the claim the 9/19 bill was a draft version of the PA was link to the text of the bill. Did you actually read it and the PA? If so then perhaps you can tell us what points they had in common. Even the newspaper article cited in the entry made no mention of the bill.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/09/AR2006050900961.html

    One thing I’ve noticed is that truthers tend to uncritically accept what other truthers say. You just accepted that the 9/19 bill was an early version of the PA because you saw it on the timeline, one of your reader’s accepted your claim without even bothering to click on the link, David Ray Griffin admitted that he “quoted…statements from secondary sources…without looking them up for myself to read them in context”

    http://tinyurl.com/DRgrifter

    • Anonymous says:

      It’s amazing to me that after reading this article with all the facts, someone can still not understand the facts. I just don’t get it. Are you so stupid that you cannot comprehend that all the events leading to 9/11 don’t smell right? I am so freaken tired of reading opinions where all the know nothings can only insult people who believe it was part of a set up, and therefore they are called truthers. If the truth ever comes out, which I doubt will happen, you will probably never admit that you believed the government’s official story. Ya, we may be a lot of truthers out here, but I prefer that title to dumb, blind, and deaf, which is what you are. It is very apparent that Len does not know what he is talking about, and speaks from the rear end of his body.

  8. JoeC says:

    >It’s not my responsibility to debunk your claims but rather yours to document them.

    Nope. I don’t have any responsibility to document anything. The President had a responsibility to uphold the U.S. Constitution (he failed.) The 9/11 commission had a responsibility to fully document what happened (they failed.) But me? I never signed up to document anything. This is just my blog, dude. And by your own twist-the-truth rules, the Preamble to the Constitution was written in 2008 (hint…I just wrote it on a piece of paper…I didn’t say it had never been written before.)

    Frankly, I’ve gone far enough down the 9/11 rabbit hole to grow a bit bored and tired of it. In addition to your comments, I’ve seen a mountain of evidence for and against the “19 hijackers acted alone” conspiracy theory, and I’m 99.9% convinced at least a few people on the inside let it happen on purpose. Do I have a smoking gun? No. But until somebody shows me a smoking gun to support the story BushCo supplied America, I’ll likely not change my mind at this point.

    So, for the record, don’t confuse my future non response to your comments about 9/11 as endorsing your point of view — just know it’s me being uninterested with nit-picky mind games. In fact — my blog, my rules — if you really do want another response from me on the subject of 9/11, it’s now your responsibility to prove that parts of the Patriot Act were not written before 9/11. Or provide the “19 hijackers acted alone” smoking gun…but if you find that, I doubt you’ll be telling me first.

  9. Len says:

    Another thing that I’ve noticed is that while ‘truthers’ don’t tire of discussing 9/11 amongst themselves they inevitably, prevaricate, make up excuses, change the subject etc when their beliefs are challenged by ‘debunkers’.

    You do know of course that no one claims the 19 hijackers pulled it off all by themselves, they were only part of the conspiracy. You want evidence that AQ was behind the attacks without the aid of the US gov’t? Do you follow the news? – Khaled Sheik Mohamed (the mastermind of the plot) and four co-defendants want to confess, they have never said “we didn’t do it” or “we did it but Bush was in on it” etc. They are not trying to trade their confession for lighter sentences; in fact they seem destined to get the death penalty.

    I actually share your suspicion that they already had the PA or something like it on the shelf waiting for an opportune moment to be introduced. Several of the provisions had be proposed previously but rejected. The issue was you claiming one thing and your source saying something else, don’t you read articles before linking them? Ditto Iraq, IIRC overthrowing Hussein was part of the 2000 GOP platform.

    • Ian B. says:

      Len. If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bicycle. I am convince you could demonstrate to the whole world that O.J. Simpson was in church the whole time Nicole was getting butchered by a racoon.

    • Amy says:

      Len,

      I’m not even a conspiracy theorist or a “truther,” but your responses here have only done more to convince me of the opposing side’s argument.

      It is a given that the government will lie, leave out information, will do whatever it takes to cover up incompetence, etc. And your inability to recognize those qualities in a non-benevolent organization is far more remarkable than any 9/11 speculation I’ve ever come across.

      Of course, I don’t necessarily think that even you believe what you’re saying. So, if you’re some sort of paid shill (there is plenty of solid evidence that many governments do have these), I’d like to point out that you’re a total failure at your job and I hope you’re fired and have to earn an honest living soon, like the rest of us.

      Go do something with your life that actually benefits humanity.

  10. shepard says:

    Len needs a wake up call or is he one of those hired by god knows who to debunk these questions, that clearly shows there are anomolies. OK, Here are the facts. AGAIN:

    this is for all, pls know that there were not two towers that came down on 911! but 3! world trade centre 7 also came down without any resistance ( like a detonated imlosion). Now can any one with minimum intelligence ( Len?) tell me why did that tower come down? no planes hit it, why is there no investigation regarding that ? it seems we were born yesterday. the whole world got punk’d on 911!

    This is for all. the fire fighters reported they hard large thuderous explosions before the twin towers came down. the authorities ( who convineintly asked every reporter, camera man, sound technician to leave manhattan so that there will be no audio evidence) exlained it by saying these were the sounds off floors collapsing like pan cakes. Again, foolish America, Sounds Are The Result of An Action NOT Prior to An Action! what would you say if you heard my clapping even before I clapped my hands!!? the collapsing floors would have been the cause of the sounds, NOT that the sounds preceeded the collapsing floors! evidence this is detonated implosion.

    Len, Len, my dear Len. you don’t seem to realize the gravity of this event. thousands of lives have been lost on a lie, just becuase America needs to wage war every 10 years just to keep the trillion dollar military industry running!

    • Len says:

      LOL – A completely misinformed ‘truther’ why does that not surprime me?!

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      “world trade centre 7 also came down without any resistance ( like a detonated imlosion). Now can any one with minimum intelligence ( Len?) tell me why did that tower come down? no planes hit it, why is there no investigation regarding that ?”
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      There have been at least 2 completed investigations of the collapse of 7 WTC, ASCE and NIST. I am aware of a third one which is on going being conducted by investigators hired by Con Edison which is suing Silverstein.

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      “This is for all. the fire fighters reported they hard large thuderous explosions before the twin towers came down. the authorities ( who convineintly asked every reporter, camera man, sound technician to leave manhattan so that there will be no audio evidence) exlained it by saying these were the sounds off floors collapsing like pan cakes.”
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      There are only a handful of reports of loud explosions immediately preceding the collapses; none can be heard on any of the numerous videos. The loud noises heard after collapse initiation most likely are the result of structural elements colliding.

      No one asked cameramen, soundmen or journalists of any kind to leave the area before the collapses. That is why there are so many videos.

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      “Again, foolish America, Sounds Are The Result of An Action NOT Prior to An Action! what would you say if you heard my clapping even before I clapped my hands!!? the collapsing floors would have been the cause of the sounds, NOT that the sounds preceeded the collapsing floors! evidence this is detonated implosion.”
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      Foolish Frenchman (did I guess right?) making stupid remarks without having his facts straight!

  11. shepard says:

    Len, I have years of experience as a professional / leading structural engineer and I can tell you … not let me re -phrase, there has never been any building that has come down as the way WTC 7 did and there will be none in the future. the experts don’t even dare try to explain it, because it is a blatant lie. if Buildings came down as WTC 7 did, then no one would be living in High rise buildings. so let me give you a tase of your own medicine, you all knowing – arrogant american!

    “world trade centre 7 also came down without any resistance ( like a detonated imlosion). Now can any one with minimum intelligence ( Len?) tell me why did that tower come down? no planes hit it, why is there no investigation regarding that ?”
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    There have been at least 2 completed investigations of the collapse of 7 WTC, ASCE and NIST. I am aware of a third one which is on going being conducted by investigators hired by Con Edison which is suing Silverstein.

    S: so what is the outcome of those investigation? any expalnation provided why the towers came down? ( my dear Len?) or is it just like another shame 911 commision? Actually the UN should conduct an investigation, as a group ( NEO Cons – who in their report as early as 1998 wanted a Neo pearl Harbour catastrophe to sustain the trillions of dollars in defense contracts) within the US govt, has used this to go on rampage around the world killing innocent people, for the benefit of a few private defense companies. May be then the actual truth will surface!

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    There are only a handful of reports of loud explosions immediately preceding the collapses; none can be heard on any of the numerous videos. The loud noises heard after collapse initiation most likely are the result of structural elements colliding.

    S: again, wrong information , there were series of continuous explosion in regular intervals around one second apart, that were reported by the fire fighters ( where are these reports in the 911 commission report?). and most importantly before the absurd pan cake collapse of the towers. Len (the patroitic but dumb american) the enormous sounds should have generated while the floors were coming down but not way before that.

    No one asked cameramen, soundmen or journalists of any kind to leave the area before the collapses. That is why there are so many videos.

    S: you have no idea what what you are talking about. all the footages are distant footages and and most reporters were forced to take position by the authority in brooklyn. that’s how CNN & others were reporting, their own words. in any case, we have distant shots and not close up Audio!

    By the way, Len, I am not French. and this is Poetic Justice, your country is in deep shit economically because it has taken so many innocent lives. You see, america had an economic advantage (and as a result military might) because of the Last Great War. In WWII every power suffered, be it the british, the french , the soviets, the germans, the japs–except for one country, that came out almost without a cratch . At the end of WWII the US was the only country with its infrastructure intact. That’s why it had an economic advantage, guess what other coutries have caught up with the US. and the New-cons knows that, Chenneys of this world was finding it difficult to sustain such unecessary defense budget. Thus the 911 scam, it is a tool to keep the defense industry running.

    but poetic justice, becuase of the sin of your leadership ( or atleast a group of them) soon you won’t have the capacity to wage wars, for the Chinese & the Indian’s will turn the worth of dollar into that of paper. And the Len of this world won’t be able spend time in the bar with bear in the hand going.” yeaaah baby yeaaaah” ( dumb american) for soon the chinese and the indians are going to take away your job! Poetic justice!
    or should your leadership conjour up another 911 to wage war on other nations. And why not ? Your country has gone to war every 10 years since WWII!

  12. Len says:

    It’s not really worth my time to spend more than a minimal amount of time debating some one so misinformed. You claim to be a “structural engineer” but I don’t believe you. Perhaps you’d be willing to tell us your real name and license number and post a link to a scan of your license and/or to a database where it can be verified.

    =====
    “if Buildings came down as WTC 7 did, then no one would be living in High rise buildings”
    =====

    7 was a central core steel frame building which came down after 7 hours of intense virtually uncombated fires. This is a rare occurrence. Additionally it had been damaged by debris from WTC 1, had thousands of gallons/liters of diesel fuel stored in tanks in it and was of unusual construction due being build over a pre-existing electrical substation and being altered for Giuliani’s bunker. Resident of other high rises don’t need to loose any sleep over this.

    =====
    “S: so what is the outcome of those investigation? any expalnation provided why the towers came down?”
    =====

    Actually there was, if you’d bothered to read the report you’d know that. Get back when you have, otherwise debating you is a waste of time.

    ====
    “NEO Cons – who in their report as early as 1998 wanted a Neo pearl Harbour catastrophe to sustain the trillions of dollars in defense contracts”
    ====

    BS

    ====
    “there were series of continuous explosion in regular intervals around one second apart, that were reported by the fire fighters…and most importantly before the absurd pan cake collapse of the towers.”
    ====

    Citation?

    ====
    all the footages are distant footages and and most reporters were forced to take position by the authority in brooklyn. that’s how CNN & others were reporting, their own words. in any case, we have distant shots and not close up Audio!
    ====

    More BS you produce more than a small ranch. Several videos taken very close to the WTC can be found on this page.
    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html

    =====
    “enormous sounds should have generated while the floors were coming down”
    =====

    Finally you got something right, lots of truthers disagree with you.

    ====
    “but not way before that.”
    =====

    Unless of course local collapses preceded the global one or if things like transformers or stocks of flammable material (cleaning products, copy toner etc) blew up. There reports of explosions during the Windsor Tower fire too.

    =====
    “Len (the patroitic but dumb american)”
    =====

    Wrong again. Though I think they often go too far my politics are closer to those of Noam Chomsky, Alexander Cockburn, Ed Said, Amy Goodman etc than those of Bush. They all reject your silly theories.

    • Ian B. says:

      Hold it you guys this is silly and not productive. I have the answer. I know 100% full truth. Guilty party here is L.H.Owald

      It is the single-bullet theory, fired by L.H.Oswald. A one-inch-long copper-jacketed lead-core 6.5-millimeter rifle bullet fired from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository passed through President Kennedy’s neck and Governor Connally’s chest and wrist and embedded itself in the Governor’s thigh. This bullet traversed 15 layers of clothing, 7 layers of skin, and approximately 15 inches of tissue, struck a necktie knot, removed 4 inches of rib, and shattered a radius bone.

      This same bullet was caught in a Vortex Distortion and resurfaced in New York on 9/11 and took down WTC 1 and 2. The Pentagon was a Trick and Treat by an insider boy scout.

      Sorry cannot reveal more information for now. Amen

    • Mack says:

      I live in NYC and Mayor Giuliani said on the radio they pulled WTC 7 because of the extensive damage.

  13. shepard says:

    there is a time for debate, and there is time for the truth. In many ways you are right. there is no point debating a person who thinks he is enlightened because he is throwing in some names ( what if I am one of those names !?)and when he can’t refute things ends up with saying BS, that’s what arrogant american’s like you got, when they get run up against the wall, get into denial . and give my credentials and end up in gitmo? or places we have never heard of. this is a sinister group we are dealing with & the leathal capacity of whom my mind cannot even imagine.

    but this is not over, before i desdain myself from every responding to you , here is the last evidence to your comment:

    ” 7 was a central core steel frame building which came down after 7 hours of intense virtually uncombated fires. This is a rare occurrence. Additionally it had been damaged by debris from WTC 1, had thousands of gallons/liters of diesel fuel stored in tanks in it and was of unusual construction due being build over a pre-existing electrical substation and being altered for Giuliani’s bunker. Resident of other high rises don’t need to loose any sleep over this.”

    The fact that, it is central core steel frame it is absolutely not possible, again Realistically not possibe for all the floors to collapse all at once, unless there is intervention disjoining flor slabs from the core and columns , in other words controlled detonation! All simulation and past analysis of such buildings have failed to explain why WTC 7 came down in the SYMMETRICAL manner it did . Burning of deisel fuel does not cause symmetrical 7 seconds collapse of such buildings, in how many floors were the diesel tanks? and on the particular floor were they evenly distributed… you know what i am going to stop. this is pointless… i am talking to an ignorant ameture.

    but before i leave, let me tell you this, within your life time there shall be an transparent actual factual proven investigation into 911, the world would see what hypocritical wars america has conducted in the name of terror and corporate profiteering. and personally, for people like you, millions of lives of innocent people will be on your concious. so don’t worry… that day will pop up soon! until then keep keedin yourself!

  14. Xman says:

    You know why I’m happy OJ got off the first time?
    Because there was so much “evidence” against him that didn’t pass the smell test of a “reasonable man”.
    Sure, there was some that made him look guilty as hell, too.
    But, obvious doubt issues remained.

    Same thing with #7, at the very least.
    Based on a lifetimes accumulation of knowlege and experience, plus what we saw and heard on tv, it is very odd the way that building went down…in a textbook demolition manner…at least from outside appearances.

    I’m not invested in either argument, but the official explanation doesn’t pass the smell test.

  15. One thing’s fairly certain in this matter, which is that certainty is the province of fools.

    To quote a hereby unnamed great American:

    “I reject your reality, and substitute my own.”

  16. shepard says:

    the sun rises in the east, that’s certain! and that’s not the province of fools (or is it?). jees.

    i don’t think most of the people on this blog realize the gravity of the situation. Innocent people’s lives, i repeat, people’s lives are taken world over as collateral to corporate profiteering ( actually i should say vandalism, as there is no transaction here). As much I am disgusted by the deception that has occurred on 911 ( and in many ways we can say … so what?), but more so that there are groups within america who are no better than the nazis or the soviets; they are even worse. And this is what the so called greatest democracy on earth, the leader of the free world has to offer…. lies, deception, manipulation & death on such scale!

    has the US become the all deceiving Anti-Christ of lore? it certainly ( … province of fools…) is showing all the characteristics of it.

  17. shepard- “East” is an arbitrary and relative term, not a matter of certainty: Antarctica could just as easily be considered the North Pole.
    East is “East” by agreement of terms, not substantial fact. Similarly, yet ironically, lies can become “fact” by agreement…in spite of substance.

    But your point is well taken, I was just poking fun in hope that being absurd might shed some lateral thinking sunshine on this dark subject.

    After all, isn’t a double certainty something like a double negative?

  18. Xman says:

    Since I can tell Shepard is trying, I’ll be nice, too.

    But how do I tell you that the sun doesn’t rise in the east, without being a jerk?

    Maybe if I give you a hint.

    Here’s the hint:
    The earth rotates.

  19. Xman says:

    Stumbled across this link in which Dan Rather talks about Guliani having 9/11 black boxes in his possession.

    I’d never heard it before…not that I followed the details closely anyway.

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/black-box/#comment-126

  20. Xman says:

    Hey Guys,
    Just found this new 7 minute discussion by a structural steel architect who is among a group of 700 architects calling for an new 9/11 investigation.

    I’m closer to being convinced after watching it.

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/truth-and-friends/

  21. mr x says:

    Great theory! Now all you need is PROOF!

  22. JoeC says:

    I’d say it’s the folks pushing the OFFICIAL 9/11 Conspiracy Theory that need to pony up some PROOF.

  23. shepard says:

    be patient my friends, be patient. it seems non of you realize the gravity of the situation, this is not JFK that it involves the death of a single person but deaths and exploitation of millions of people in the false pretext of war on terror. world renowned architects & engineers have voiced their doubt.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7488159.stm

    not in the distant future legal proceedings will begin. so keep kiddin yourselves.

  24. Jim says:

    Well I don’t know if there was a huge conspiracy amongst government or not here but look at this event on its face and tell me how NOT to question that it could have transpired as we were told it did. SO MANY THINGS LINED UP TOO PERFECTLY. Especially when most of the “official” answers are “gee we just can’t figure it out”? Seriously?

  25. Ian B. says:

    Len. If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bicycle. I am convince you could demonstrate to the whole world that O.J. Simpson was in church the whole time Nicole was getting butchered by a racoon.

    Hold it you guys this is silly and not productive. I have the answer. I know 100% full truth. Guilty party here is L.H.Owald

    It is the single-bullet theory, fired by L.H.Oswald. A one-inch-long copper-jacketed lead-core 6.5-millimeter rifle bullet fired from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository passed through President Kennedy’s neck and Governor Connally’s chest and wrist and embedded itself in the Governor’s thigh. This bullet traversed 15 layers of clothing, 7 layers of skin, and approximately 15 inches of tissue, struck a necktie knot, removed 4 inches of rib, and shattered a radius bone.

    This same bullet was caught in a Vortex Distortion and resurfaced in New York on 9/11 and took down WTC 1 and 2. The Pentagon was a Trick and Treat by an insider boy scout.

    Sorry cannot reveal more information for now. Amen

  26. Rev. Dave says:

    Bush often said “this war will not end while I’m in office”. And all the dumb-ass voters thought he meant it wouldn’t end because the designated ‘enemy’ was so tenacious.

    Hell, all he meant was that it was PLANNED to last at least that long. Now, you can listen for Obama to say the same thing – because if he hasn’t already, he will. This is all part of an intentional bleeding of our Treasury and our economy. You don’t need to see every footprint in the snow to know which way a dog is going – just look at the trail and walk in that direction.

  27. 911 truth movement is a growing revolution.. one that needs to be shouted from every rooftop. the american people have been so dumbed down that we can not even see the very blatant crimes that are committed before our eyes because we still thik that there is now way that our own government could do this… well they can! so WAKE UP, people!!!!

  28. MK Makarsky says:

    This has been going on for centuries. Waking up or knowing the truth will not help. Our society has been set up for this for a long time. The god of this world is doing it. THis is his only shot. Just know who your savior is YShua, trust him serve him and you will not need to worry about such things.

    • esgatch says:

      Thanks for the truth! Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and the Holy Spirit of God teaches all things. God the created the laws of physics and by them we can know the truth of the professional demolition of trade center buildings 1,2 and 7. Glory to God that nothing escapes His notice or knowledge! John 3:16

  29. David says:

    …meanwhile @ the neighbors plasma screen did anyone notice that Brittany Spears was seen w/ Tits exposed & no panties while exiting a Limo??
    or how about that stunning beer commercial during the “super”bowl.
    oh yeah Gas is 3dollars a Gallon in the “peaceful” US but only 17-to-19cents a Liter in War torn iraQ
    there is nothing new,, just repeat after repeat & the sheeple are herded into the local Wal-mart to purchase chinese crap & blackberrys/ twitters/ facebooks all the my space you think you need to stibk a Head in the Sand. I am ashamed to be a constituent of any current government in the united stages of ameriKa

  30. David says:

    stick not stibk & yes i believe their were many more involved–including the fact that some of those claimed to be hijackers may NOT have been.

    disclaimer: i have never benefitted from any smuggling of cocaine in or near Mensa Arkansas, i was born the Spring after Kennedy was systematically eliminated. i was not present in indonesia when Obaamas maternal grandparents (remember the Kansas “used” furniture salesman) was there. I have never been to my knowledge involved with the MK Ultra programs like the one @ U of Hawaii & my maternal gramma is not the same as Obaamas! my gramma never worked with the BCCI bank in hawaii or shepherded me into thekingdom of $pook$

  31. Robert says:

    News flash people Bush and Cheney knew nothing look at the Clintons with the democrates and you will see the truth.Dems in bed with anyone that they think will help………….

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  33. Masshua Joay says:

    Larry Silverstein made a profit on insurance payouts? does that sound like any insurance companies you know? Do you thing he paid $3.2 billion in cash? He still is responsible for the interest on the loan (or gives up the collateral to the bankers) for a building that no longer generates the income….so of course the payouts are for more that the price of the purchase….BUT the payout makes you WHOLE. If he got paid $5 billion from the insurance companies, you can bet he would have made at least that had there been no terrorist attack. Different flavor of koolaid is being consumed here. Looks like a good lack of critical thinking on both sides.

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