Comments on: Phantoms in the Gulf of Tonkin http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/02/20/phantoms-in-the-gulf-of-tonkin/ A dissident twist of reality... Sat, 18 Feb 2012 22:51:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Greg http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/02/20/phantoms-in-the-gulf-of-tonkin/comment-page-1/#comment-28249 Greg Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:51:33 +0000 http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/02/20/phantoms-in-the-gulf-of-tonkin/#comment-28249 Phantoms in the Persian Gulf!! I just finished watching CNN where they said that three Iranian ships headed towards our US warships in a provacative manner. The U.S. were about to fire on the Iranians when they suddenly turned off. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident worked so well for Vietnam, why not re-hash it for the Iranians! Phantoms in the Persian Gulf!!

I just finished watching CNN where they said that three Iranian ships headed towards our US warships in a provacative manner. The U.S. were about to fire on the Iranians when they suddenly turned off.
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident worked so well for Vietnam, why not re-hash it for the Iranians!

]]> By: Andrew Milner http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/02/20/phantoms-in-the-gulf-of-tonkin/comment-page-1/#comment-3115 Andrew Milner Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:48:56 +0000 http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/02/20/phantoms-in-the-gulf-of-tonkin/#comment-3115 You could do worse than view the motion picture, "The Fog of War" which is a documentary of interviews with Robert McNamara. When he met the former North Vietnamese Minister in 1995, they jointly realised that the entire Viet Nam (American) War was unnecessary and the result of mutual misunderstanding. North Viet Nam believed the US wanted to enslave Viet Nam, continuing where the colonising French had left off. The US would have agreed to independence and reunification from Day 1. America wrongly assumed that a North Vietnamese victory would allow the Chinese to spread Communism throughout the region, essentially the Domino Theory. Viet Nam had been fighting China for the last 1,000 years. No way would they allow the Chinese in. The irony was that both sides thought they were fighting for freedom. So some 5.5 million deaths (Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia) as a result of misunderstanding and the inability of America to communicate and grasp the historical process. Or were the reasons even more sinister? And now history is repeating itself in Iraq. Next time it is suggested that the US pursue an isolationist policy, let's all support the proposal. You could do worse than view the motion picture, “The Fog of War” which is a documentary of interviews with Robert McNamara. When he met the former North Vietnamese Minister in 1995, they jointly realised that the entire Viet Nam (American) War was unnecessary and the result of mutual misunderstanding. North Viet Nam believed the US wanted to enslave Viet Nam, continuing where the colonising French had left off. The US would have agreed to independence and reunification from Day 1. America wrongly assumed that a North Vietnamese victory would allow the Chinese to spread Communism throughout the region, essentially the Domino Theory. Viet Nam had been fighting China for the last 1,000 years. No way would they allow the Chinese in. The irony was that both sides thought they were fighting for freedom. So some 5.5 million deaths (Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia) as a result of misunderstanding and the inability of America to communicate and grasp the historical process. Or were the reasons even more sinister? And now history is repeating itself in Iraq. Next time it is suggested that the US pursue an isolationist policy, let’s all support the proposal.

]]> By: JoeC http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/02/20/phantoms-in-the-gulf-of-tonkin/comment-page-1/#comment-3027 JoeC Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:43:23 +0000 http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/02/20/phantoms-in-the-gulf-of-tonkin/#comment-3027 Mark: Here ya' go, from the George Washington University's National Security Archive: <a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/press20051201.htm" rel="nofollow">Gulf of Tonkin Incident</a> Also this from the National Security Agency: <a href="http://www.nsa.gov/vietnam/index.cfm" rel="nofollow">Gulf of Tonkin Documents</a> Mark: Here ya’ go, from the George Washington University’s National Security Archive: Gulf of Tonkin Incident

Also this from the National Security Agency: Gulf of Tonkin Documents

]]> By: Mark Dice http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/02/20/phantoms-in-the-gulf-of-tonkin/comment-page-1/#comment-3026 Mark Dice Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:19:46 +0000 http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/02/20/phantoms-in-the-gulf-of-tonkin/#comment-3026 It is already reported in declassified documents that this incident was a flase flag operation. Why don't you just attache some of the documents or provide some more links about this. At least it is better documented than the 911 flase flag operation. It is already reported in declassified documents that this incident was a flase flag operation. Why don’t you just attache some of the documents or provide some more links about this. At least it is better documented than the 911 flase flag operation.

]]> By: JoeC http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/02/20/phantoms-in-the-gulf-of-tonkin/comment-page-1/#comment-3025 JoeC Sun, 04 Mar 2007 18:59:33 +0000 http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/02/20/phantoms-in-the-gulf-of-tonkin/#comment-3025 Ask a vet on either side if it wasn't a war... Ask a vet on either side if it wasn’t a war…

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